“All the races are the same! There’s no genetic difference between them! But admixture between the races is a good thing because it can provide resistance to diseases that affect certain subgroups.. but there’s no reason to believe these genetic differences could ever affect IQ and behavior!!”
Also, diversity is good because it provides different perspectives and experiences, but we should strive to eradicate diversity by mixing as much as possible.
Some, likely the substantial majority of the “rise” in the multiracial population is just the same people reporting as multiracial where before they reported as one race. The increase recorded is +24 million from 2010 to 2020.
In 2015, 14% of US newborns had parents of differing races (of which half were the white-hispanic combo). There are roughly 3.5 million children born every year in the US, so roughly 500k multi-racial annually. So only about 20% of the “rise” from 2010 to 2020 is new humans.
Some of the rise too is likely immigration, but it’s not plausibly a significant portion.
It's probably Latin American immigrants relabeling as multiracial, and fyi, multigenerational mixed people don't have the same problems as first gen mixed people. People whose ancestors mixed more than 100 years ago are functionally the same as a monoracial person and don't get "Diaspora Blues" in the same way someone with parents of two different races do.
Sperm banks warn people not to donate too often, as half siblings who grow up apart often fall instantly in love with each other.
This suggests a dating website which matches people based on biometric or genetic similarity would be very successful. Obviously you would want to screen for recessive diseases, but you could reliably match people with their 4th cousin-equivalents for very happy partnerships.
If this is true, then low fertility rates in the US must be due to marriage across ethnicities after Ellis Island.
The same is true in China and India, where people from different parts of the country (who could be as genetically distinct from one another as Nordic and Mediterranean Europeans) intermarried, causing lower fertility.
I do know mixed race people (frank mixed race, like half black half white in Latin America) who have up to 8 siblings though. Multi generational mixed is the same as monoracial.
I am unsure if you have seen the recent advert by a Swedish (I think?) jew advocating for whites to outbreed in order to achieve better offspring. What a ludicrous idea.
"But humans are not mating with congeneric species, but rather individuals of their own species."
I don't think this statement truly represents reality in light of modern mixing between geographically differentiated sub-species of humans. Even if they do have fertile offspring, they do not constitute the same sub-forms. Great apes may interbreed, or Bonobos and Chimps may have offspring. Lots of animals considered different sub-species or even species might be able to have fertile offspring.
Interestingly, children of mixed-race origin are genetically (and trait-wise) mid-distance from the parental races, constituting something new. Thus they are less related to either parent in contrast to that parent's coethnics. Another glaring example of outbreeding depression may be the reduction in average intelligence that has been experienced in the West due to admixture of the natives with lower-average-IQ foreigners. Even if the parent may have an outlier IQ compared to his/her coethnics, there is always a regression to the mean - in this case, the mean shifts lower. Another thing I have noticed (unsure if there is a study), but mixed race children are mainly female. I'd wager it is due to the higher evolutionary pressure on the Y chromosome, resulting in higher differentiation and consequently higher mutational load - meaning even less compatibility between sub-species.
Apart from this, in the book "Erectus walks among us" the author denotes specialisation levels between species of different environments. I would say, that East-Asians and Africans are more specialised while Europeans are generalists. This is of course due to adaptation, but my point is, that losing said wider range of adaptability may be a death sentence to the mixed race offspring. For instance, brown skinned people have major vitamin deficiencies in low-light environments and their children suffer a worse fate in Scandinavian countries by virtue of being born there. Incidentally, this would point to the axiom that in nature more specialised forms simply disappear due to environmental changes, as are unable to adapt.
On the collapse of fertility rates, from what I read it has been mainly an effect of urbanisation and loss of habitat. Humans seem to be best suited to a village-like lifestlye where each family unit has its own separated living space. Of course it makes sense, when people live on top of one another like apartment complexes, people suffer an over-crowding signal - think of it as a misaligned adaptation.
Also I do think you are right. While there may be less of an impact of even different Europeans (for instance, or different East-Asians) intermixing, the amount of genetic displacement is huge when considering cross-breeding of different sub-species. That definitely reduces fertility among the natives in the area.
I am Indian and currently dating an Austrian, have thought about marriage and kids but am unsure if having mixed race children is a good idea, very undecided on continuing the relationship, would be a shitty thing to end a great compatible relationship on uncertain grounds
The genetic distance between Indians (especially northern Indians) and Austrians is a lot smaller than between e.g. Europeans and Africans. I don't think you have to be too concerned. https://www.nature.com/articles/srep29890
You should keep in mind the situation you're leaving your children in. Genetics aside they'll be neither Austrian or Indian, and if things turn against migrants in the west (which they currently are) they could be at a serious disadvantage.
True, I’ve thought about it a lot. This is all speculative but on the other hand they’ll be both Austrian and Indian and could maybe play either card to their benefit in the future.
My father immigrated, making me landless. I could potentially raise the kids in Austria and make that their homeland, like my girlfriend. Idk, her father has some property he inherited from way way back.
The alternative is break up a good relationship and go marry either another landless immigrant or move back to my homeland. Both are options I am not afraid of.
My situation is that I'm an Irishman dating a Frenchwoman, but it's unlikely that there'll be any conflict between France and Ireland anytime soon and the two are culturally and genetically close so it seems like a good foundation to build on.
As for your relationship... have you taken her to India yet? It might be a good test to see if she's really willing to invest in becoming a part of that world and culture. Also whether she'd be willing to move there with you if things got unstable in Austria.
Haha, she might be dating me just for the food. She likes Indian food more than I do. She did a volunteer trip there herself a couple years ago.
I’m not sure about her moving though, we will see. My biggest thing is again how mixed race kids will feel, not fully belonging to either culture. Not fully looking like either community, maybe I need to ask more mixed people how they feel about these things.
I already struggle with identity by not speaking my mother tongue and not growing up in the culture. Being ‘whitewashed’.
With globalism, GenZ is going to see more mixed race couples than ever before, falling into the liberal capital goal of creating the ultimate synthesized consumer blob, complete with a cultural background made from Disney and Instagram.
French and Irish sounds like an interesting couple. From what I know, I imagine a sharp rock (Irish) meeting a smooth stone (French).
Brazil has one of the lowest fertility rates in South America, if this were even an argument to begin with. TFR and depression can be affected by a multitude of things; that doesn't change the findings of OD when looked at in isolation. Please be smarter
In no way did I ever even begin to think that outbreeding depression could explain the differences between the English and Latins. OD, just as it is with ID, is very clearly a problem for personal decisions ie marriage and not one at the national or racial scale, as gene flow eradicates the issue within a handful of generations.
For the final time please be smarter, and do not put words in my mouth
“All the races are the same! There’s no genetic difference between them! But admixture between the races is a good thing because it can provide resistance to diseases that affect certain subgroups.. but there’s no reason to believe these genetic differences could ever affect IQ and behavior!!”
Also, diversity is good because it provides different perspectives and experiences, but we should strive to eradicate diversity by mixing as much as possible.
Some, likely the substantial majority of the “rise” in the multiracial population is just the same people reporting as multiracial where before they reported as one race. The increase recorded is +24 million from 2010 to 2020.
In 2015, 14% of US newborns had parents of differing races (of which half were the white-hispanic combo). There are roughly 3.5 million children born every year in the US, so roughly 500k multi-racial annually. So only about 20% of the “rise” from 2010 to 2020 is new humans.
Some of the rise too is likely immigration, but it’s not plausibly a significant portion.
It's probably Latin American immigrants relabeling as multiracial, and fyi, multigenerational mixed people don't have the same problems as first gen mixed people. People whose ancestors mixed more than 100 years ago are functionally the same as a monoracial person and don't get "Diaspora Blues" in the same way someone with parents of two different races do.
Idk why both of these faces look so funny to me.
Race mixing is always wrong.
Interesting. Fits into the population reduction agenda run in western countries.
So trve...
There is a business idea in this:
Sperm banks warn people not to donate too often, as half siblings who grow up apart often fall instantly in love with each other.
This suggests a dating website which matches people based on biometric or genetic similarity would be very successful. Obviously you would want to screen for recessive diseases, but you could reliably match people with their 4th cousin-equivalents for very happy partnerships.
Do you have working links to the studies on Danish and Icelandic fertility?
If this is true, then low fertility rates in the US must be due to marriage across ethnicities after Ellis Island.
The same is true in China and India, where people from different parts of the country (who could be as genetically distinct from one another as Nordic and Mediterranean Europeans) intermarried, causing lower fertility.
I do know mixed race people (frank mixed race, like half black half white in Latin America) who have up to 8 siblings though. Multi generational mixed is the same as monoracial.
I am unsure if you have seen the recent advert by a Swedish (I think?) jew advocating for whites to outbreed in order to achieve better offspring. What a ludicrous idea.
"But humans are not mating with congeneric species, but rather individuals of their own species."
I don't think this statement truly represents reality in light of modern mixing between geographically differentiated sub-species of humans. Even if they do have fertile offspring, they do not constitute the same sub-forms. Great apes may interbreed, or Bonobos and Chimps may have offspring. Lots of animals considered different sub-species or even species might be able to have fertile offspring.
Interestingly, children of mixed-race origin are genetically (and trait-wise) mid-distance from the parental races, constituting something new. Thus they are less related to either parent in contrast to that parent's coethnics. Another glaring example of outbreeding depression may be the reduction in average intelligence that has been experienced in the West due to admixture of the natives with lower-average-IQ foreigners. Even if the parent may have an outlier IQ compared to his/her coethnics, there is always a regression to the mean - in this case, the mean shifts lower. Another thing I have noticed (unsure if there is a study), but mixed race children are mainly female. I'd wager it is due to the higher evolutionary pressure on the Y chromosome, resulting in higher differentiation and consequently higher mutational load - meaning even less compatibility between sub-species.
Apart from this, in the book "Erectus walks among us" the author denotes specialisation levels between species of different environments. I would say, that East-Asians and Africans are more specialised while Europeans are generalists. This is of course due to adaptation, but my point is, that losing said wider range of adaptability may be a death sentence to the mixed race offspring. For instance, brown skinned people have major vitamin deficiencies in low-light environments and their children suffer a worse fate in Scandinavian countries by virtue of being born there. Incidentally, this would point to the axiom that in nature more specialised forms simply disappear due to environmental changes, as are unable to adapt.
On the collapse of fertility rates, from what I read it has been mainly an effect of urbanisation and loss of habitat. Humans seem to be best suited to a village-like lifestlye where each family unit has its own separated living space. Of course it makes sense, when people live on top of one another like apartment complexes, people suffer an over-crowding signal - think of it as a misaligned adaptation.
Also I do think you are right. While there may be less of an impact of even different Europeans (for instance, or different East-Asians) intermixing, the amount of genetic displacement is huge when considering cross-breeding of different sub-species. That definitely reduces fertility among the natives in the area.
Regression towards the mean.
I am Indian and currently dating an Austrian, have thought about marriage and kids but am unsure if having mixed race children is a good idea, very undecided on continuing the relationship, would be a shitty thing to end a great compatible relationship on uncertain grounds
The genetic distance between Indians (especially northern Indians) and Austrians is a lot smaller than between e.g. Europeans and Africans. I don't think you have to be too concerned. https://www.nature.com/articles/srep29890
That’s what I’ve concluded as well. I am North Indian and Indo-Aryan originates from the Anatolian Steppe, her people went left, mine went right.
You should keep in mind the situation you're leaving your children in. Genetics aside they'll be neither Austrian or Indian, and if things turn against migrants in the west (which they currently are) they could be at a serious disadvantage.
True, I’ve thought about it a lot. This is all speculative but on the other hand they’ll be both Austrian and Indian and could maybe play either card to their benefit in the future.
My father immigrated, making me landless. I could potentially raise the kids in Austria and make that their homeland, like my girlfriend. Idk, her father has some property he inherited from way way back.
The alternative is break up a good relationship and go marry either another landless immigrant or move back to my homeland. Both are options I am not afraid of.
What’s your situation and thoughts?
Good for you for thinking about it seriously.
My situation is that I'm an Irishman dating a Frenchwoman, but it's unlikely that there'll be any conflict between France and Ireland anytime soon and the two are culturally and genetically close so it seems like a good foundation to build on.
As for your relationship... have you taken her to India yet? It might be a good test to see if she's really willing to invest in becoming a part of that world and culture. Also whether she'd be willing to move there with you if things got unstable in Austria.
Haha, she might be dating me just for the food. She likes Indian food more than I do. She did a volunteer trip there herself a couple years ago.
I’m not sure about her moving though, we will see. My biggest thing is again how mixed race kids will feel, not fully belonging to either culture. Not fully looking like either community, maybe I need to ask more mixed people how they feel about these things.
I already struggle with identity by not speaking my mother tongue and not growing up in the culture. Being ‘whitewashed’.
With globalism, GenZ is going to see more mixed race couples than ever before, falling into the liberal capital goal of creating the ultimate synthesized consumer blob, complete with a cultural background made from Disney and Instagram.
French and Irish sounds like an interesting couple. From what I know, I imagine a sharp rock (Irish) meeting a smooth stone (French).
Brazil has one of the lowest fertility rates in South America, if this were even an argument to begin with. TFR and depression can be affected by a multitude of things; that doesn't change the findings of OD when looked at in isolation. Please be smarter
In no way did I ever even begin to think that outbreeding depression could explain the differences between the English and Latins. OD, just as it is with ID, is very clearly a problem for personal decisions ie marriage and not one at the national or racial scale, as gene flow eradicates the issue within a handful of generations.
For the final time please be smarter, and do not put words in my mouth
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